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Morning, everybody. How you doing today in this episode of the show? We're going to tackle facial recognition again, because we talked about it before and it's an issue that kind of keeps coming up again and again and there was actually three media articles are in the last couple days that really triggered an interesting Viewpoint that for me or surf line of thought around facial recognition.

The first comes from 0 day, which is a column or sub-section in zaddy not and they were talking about how the eu's decided creative giant Biometrics database. Now that seems initially horrifying I'm one central place of everybody's Biometrics for those be fingers or retinal scans or have facial geometries, but then they go on to examine the primary use case which is to help facilitate border crossings.

So keep that one in the in your mind in the back of your head as we can I go through this the second article was from the financial times. So it's up on ft.com and as always with all the things that I She heard me to post those links not in the description down below so you can reach the original Source material that kicked off this line of thinking to the article.

I'm on ft.com talks about how the training databases used for really popular facial recognition tools and services. The people in those facial recognition database is might not know they're there now at first you're thinking while they're using your article was that allowed for one particular day to sit at the very least was it was using Creative Commons attribution adore license photos, which means that they probably have the legal right to use those photos of the moral or ethical right? I am so coming back again.

And then the last article was from the hill talking about how I DHS in the states wants to get near a hundred percent if it was like 97% coverage of using facial recognition for people exiting the country through airports. So three interesting articles again links down below so you can read them yourself, but all centering around using facial Refuge.

Which is probably the most common biometric use right now. I'm you know for general purposes are outside of straight authentication on devices, which then probably thumbprints don't have any hard stats around that but I think facial recognition raises the biggest Community or societal discussion because I can apply facial recognition based on the image based on video and from a distance for thumbprint, you know, you need to actually put it up there I and scan it.

So there's a little different interaction case here. Now the EU wants to help facilitate border crossings DHS wants to track people leaving the country and these training outdoor the three photos that were probably already license for their type of use and this is where it gets really interesting because the crossing the border you're already being identified and you're already heavily recorded So combining those two doesn't seem like it's such a relief but there's something sort of viscerally that goes in you I'm not really comfortable that same with the Border case for are the airplane KCI Airport terminal case with DHS.

Heavily modern photographed within the airport terminals you've already provided identification in order to pass through security or to get to the Gabe depending on the country you're in. You've already passed the stuff you already consented to the Soviet merging those to make sense and for the train databases if they've at least it here to the licenses the photographs you've already consented in a way, but all three of these feel kind of off and let the best way to describe it is that they feel kind of off and the reason for that is because we haven't discussed those specific use cases the example I'm or they can set that has been given in these cases has not extended to the specific implementation and I think that makes a world of difference.

So, yes, you said you don't you can use this photo to reprint ertugrul tribute under Creative Commons license notice spin-off into something new but nobody thought of what to use case of that being used to train algorithms and services that could be used in a manner that you're not comfortable with you've already consented by traveling across certain I checkpoints in borders to being identified and to being recorded within the terminal for security reasons, right and for a whole bunch of additional reasons.

Why We've already consented that are already comfortable or valise accepted that but combining the two to be able to do it at speed makes people uncomfortable because it's not something we've explicitly discussed and really the point of this show today. What's to bring that up is that facial recognition is being pushed more and more into the spotlight and I think they're the underlying theme in every single time.

This pops up in the headlines is that we have to have a discussion in each community in each Society. We need to discuss how we're comfortable with this technology being used in what scenarios and what circumstances and there's going to be a case-by-case that could be broad guidelines for Denise to be a case-by-case discussion around this because maybe you're comfortable with it at the airport.

But are you comfortable with it in the mall? Right we've seen that here in Canada where apparently some of the mall kiosk that you could help out touch the gate directory store directory see what the sales are on that kind of stuff. Apparently some of those were doing generic facial recognition.

They weren't identifying. You know, this is Mark's face, but they were saying this is a Early middle-age graying white Caucasian, you know and then they could use that for demographic information. Is that most likely I'm looking for stores that aligned of those interest as opposed to you know, maybe other stores I can you know, that might not aligned with that particular demographic.

So again its context it's you syn contacts and I think the longer we go without having to discussion the more that the horses are going to have left the barn and it's going to be really hard to put this back into play because people have already deployed the technology and I've been using it in the argument will be both been in use for years.

So what's the difference now and we're going to do some uses that we're really not careful with him. We've seen that with a push back from some of the technologist to work on this and the researchers who work on these Technologies, but I think this discussion needs to come out into the light and that's really the goal of today's video is to make that clear to everybody and hopefully everyone is watching us can help start that discussion.

I'm so we can have this and decide where we're comfortable with as a community in that's going to be different on a community that Community basis. What do you think? Let me know who Online at Mark NCAA in the comments down below and is always by email me at Mark n.

C a I always find it fascinating discussing these and other issues with you folks. It's really community-driven show. So as always if you have ideas, let me know how to do a video on any topic moving forward because just like this subject turn off facial recognition more we talk about this stuff outside in the light and work through.

These are really tricky edge cases like the better off. We all are have a fantastic day and we'll see how the next show Morning, everybody. How you doing today in this episode of the show? We're going to tackle facial recognition again, because we talked about it before and it's an issue that kind of keeps coming up again and again and there was actually three media articles are in the last couple days that really triggered an interesting Viewpoint that for me or surf line of thought around facial recognition.

The first comes from 0 day, which is a column or sub-section in zaddy not and they were talking about how the eu's decided creative giant Biometrics database. Now that seems initially horrifying I'm one central place of everybody's Biometrics for those be fingers or retinal scans or have facial geometries, but then they go on to examine the primary use case which is to help facilitate border crossings.

So keep that one in the in your mind in the back of your head as we can I go through this the second article was from the financial times. So it's up on ft.com and as always with all the things that I She heard me to post those links not in the description down below so you can reach the original Source material that kicked off this line of thinking to the article.

I'm on ft.com talks about how the training databases used for really popular facial recognition tools and services. The people in those facial recognition database is might not know they're there now at first you're thinking while they're using your article was that allowed for one particular day to sit at the very least was it was using Creative Commons attribution adore license photos, which means that they probably have the legal right to use those photos of the moral or ethical right? I am so coming back again.

And then the last article was from the hill talking about how I DHS in the states wants to get near a hundred percent if it was like 97% coverage of using facial recognition for people exiting the country through airports. So three interesting articles again links down below so you can read them yourself, but all centering around using facial Refuge.

Which is probably the most common biometric use right now. I'm you know for general purposes are outside of straight authentication on devices, which then probably thumbprints don't have any hard stats around that but I think facial recognition raises the biggest Community or societal discussion because I can apply facial recognition based on the image based on video and from a distance for thumbprint, you know, you need to actually put it up there I and scan it.

So there's a little different interaction case here. Now the EU wants to help facilitate border crossings DHS wants to track people leaving the country and these training outdoor the three photos that were probably already license for their type of use and this is where it gets really interesting because the crossing the border you're already being identified and you're already heavily recorded So combining those two doesn't seem like it's such a relief but there's something sort of viscerally that goes in you I'm not really comfortable that same with the Border case for are the airplane KCI Airport terminal case with DHS.

Heavily modern photographed within the airport terminals you've already provided identification in order to pass through security or to get to the Gabe depending on the country you're in. You've already passed the stuff you already consented to the Soviet merging those to make sense and for the train databases if they've at least it here to the licenses the photographs you've already consented in a way, but all three of these feel kind of off and let the best way to describe it is that they feel kind of off and the reason for that is because we haven't discussed those specific use cases the example I'm or they can set that has been given in these cases has not extended to the specific implementation and I think that makes a world of difference.

So, yes, you said you don't you can use this photo to reprint ertugrul tribute under Creative Commons license notice spin-off into something new but nobody thought of what to use case of that being used to train algorithms and services that could be used in a manner that you're not comfortable with you've already consented by traveling across certain I checkpoints in borders to being identified and to being recorded within the terminal for security reasons, right and for a whole bunch of additional reasons.

Why We've already consented that are already comfortable or valise accepted that but combining the two to be able to do it at speed makes people uncomfortable because it's not something we've explicitly discussed and really the point of this show today. What's to bring that up is that facial recognition is being pushed more and more into the spotlight and I think they're the underlying theme in every single time.

This pops up in the headlines is that we have to have a discussion in each community in each Society. We need to discuss how we're comfortable with this technology being used in what scenarios and what circumstances and there's going to be a case-by-case that could be broad guidelines for Denise to be a case-by-case discussion around this because maybe you're comfortable with it at the airport.

But are you comfortable with it in the mall? Right we've seen that here in Canada where apparently some of the mall kiosk that you could help out touch the gate directory store directory see what the sales are on that kind of stuff. Apparently some of those were doing generic facial recognition.

They weren't identifying. You know, this is Mark's face, but they were saying this is a Early middle-age graying white Caucasian, you know and then they could use that for demographic information. Is that most likely I'm looking for stores that aligned of those interest as opposed to you know, maybe other stores I can you know, that might not aligned with that particular demographic.

So again its context it's you syn contacts and I think the longer we go without having to discussion the more that the horses are going to have left the barn and it's going to be really hard to put this back into play because people have already deployed the technology and I've been using it in the argument will be both been in use for years.

So what's the difference now and we're going to do some uses that we're really not careful with him. We've seen that with a push back from some of the technologist to work on this and the researchers who work on these Technologies, but I think this discussion needs to come out into the light and that's really the goal of today's video is to make that clear to everybody and hopefully everyone is watching us can help start that discussion.

I'm so we can have this and decide where we're comfortable with as a community in that's going to be different on a community that Community basis. What do you think? Let me know who Online at Mark NCAA in the comments down below and is always by email me at Mark n.

C a I always find it fascinating discussing these and other issues with you folks. It's really community-driven show. So as always if you have ideas, let me know how to do a video on any topic moving forward because just like this subject turn off facial recognition more we talk about this stuff outside in the light and work through.

These are really tricky edge cases like the better off. We all are have a fantastic day and we'll see how the next show