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Good morning on this episode of the show. We're going to take a look at the recent moves by nest and how they impact your privacy. The Nest Labs was founded in 2010 and quickly Brought The Nest learning thermostat to Market. This iconic product was a transformative product for the smart home.

You see it everywhere. I've got one in the other room here now by managing the temperature of their homes automatically. It solved the legitimate problem for users while at the same time potentially saving them some money this combination led to significant Market success and a number of other Nest products like the nest protect smoke and carbon monoxide detector The Nest cam security cameras that they've indoor and outdoor versions The Nest hello smart doorbell in the oddly named Nest X Yale smart door lock.

I have mixed thoughts about that one. But this set of products LED Nest to making a push to be the key part of the smart home fabric via their works with Nest program. This program allowed third-party devices to communicate with Nest products. Now due to their success larger move within the smart home ecosystem was really an inevitable and on January 13th of 2014.

Google came in and announced plans to acquire Nest labs for 3.2 billion dollars in cash early days of this acquisition. We're pretty typical there were no significant external moves that would really be of concern to users. But in 2016 this story started to change Nest Labs co-founder Tony fadell left the company and unusual but it was a little Rocky and despite the growing the Google's business unit right next to that a piece of Google to 1,200 employees Nest didn't really deliver on the vision Google had for the team and they really deliver anything really nothing changed over the that time span during all this Nest users had access to their devices through a dedicated app and website.

Has its own data privacy policy. There's very little googliness at play. In fact, unless you really done for you really look for it. You probably weren't even aware that these were essentially Google devices now Nest isn't the first I owe to your smart home company acquired. In fact in 2014 the same year it acquired Ness.

Google also bought a company called Revolt because that was cooler revolve made a smart home hub. It was ugly as Sin but a coordinated all of the other devices in your home now. Unfortunately the revolve devices with a Bitter End in 2016. The devices were remotely disable. They were bricked from afar and the rumors in the stories around all this point to the core technology from revolve being used elsewhere in the nest unit for the Standalone devices were basically cast aside as resources were shifted towards this new works with Nest program.

That was the first real True flag in a reminder that even though you bought the device. It wasn't really yours smart home devices require Services running in the background to properly work and when a company changes hands or just priorities users may be left out in the cold never noted author Cory doctorow explores this idea in his latest book radicalized.

Now this book consists of for intensely political sci-fi stories that examine Society from a number of angles. Now one of those angles is through DRM locked appliances in the story and don't worry no spoilers here read the book. It is absolutely definitely worth it Cory examine the impact on a community when their daily lives are tied to corporate interests that you might think that you presented in.

The book is Extreme, but we're seeing small hints of it in the nest revolve Google story. And while you're checking out Corey's work, make sure to read makers as well that story explores. What a world A visual manufacturing be to be a 3D printed would look like it again with a healthy dose of political experimentation around copyright and ownership back today and the story at hand recently here 2019 at Google IO Google announced some significant changes to how they handle and Market The Nest line of products.

There's stand-alone no longer. The new naming scheme for the products is Google next. So Google Nest learning thermostat and the Google Nest protect and so on and so on more importantly the works with Nest program has been canceled the preferred method for working with these devices now is via the works with Google assistant program.

And while Google is making a rather large exception for Amazon Alexa integration. This is a clear indication of a shift in their strategy around the smart home. Now Google assistant is at the core Nest account holders will be strongly encouraged to move to Google accounts for the devices a 10 device data data about how your home works.

Now. This will now fall under the Google privacy policy versus the original Nest Labs policy and there are some significant differences are observers. Also expected The Nest app to Fall by the wayside in the not-too-distant future. It's okay. That was a huge. But what does all of this mean specifically? What does it mean through a cyber security and privacy lens? Well, this story is really a clear reminder that your device is rarely actually yours adding smarts to devices in your home really ties the operation of your home to a set of services that are running somewhere by someone.

Not you you want proof disable the Wi-Fi in her house for an hour. I know it's crazy. Bear with me and see what stops working. It's a sad and startling experience. There are significant questions that need to be addressed here or not. I don't have the answers, but I definitely have some of the questions questions like who controls the data about your home with a company sold.

Does that data access also gets old. Do you have a say in it at all? Is there a transition plan if the company that provides you were smart oven Services is sold to another There's no clear answer is here. I definitely don't have them. I don't think they're out there at all.

Now Cory doctorow presents one Viewpoint in his book radicalize and without discussion about these issues any open regulation or legislation to enforce a community decision Corey story May well end up becoming reality and while it's a well-written story that I really enjoyed reading. I don't want to live in it.

Do you? What do you think? Let me know online where I'm at Mark MCA in the comments down below and as always by email me at Mark and. CA look forward to discussing this issue with you online and we'll see you on the next episode of the show. Good morning on this episode of the show.

We're going to take a look at the recent moves by nest and how they impact your privacy. The Nest Labs was founded in 2010 and quickly Brought The Nest learning thermostat to Market. This iconic product was a transformative product for the smart home. You see it everywhere. I've got one in the other room here now by managing the temperature of their homes automatically.

It solved the legitimate problem for users while at the same time potentially saving them some money this combination led to significant Market success and a number of other Nest products like the nest protect smoke and carbon monoxide detector The Nest cam security cameras that they've indoor and outdoor versions The Nest hello smart doorbell in the oddly named Nest X Yale smart door lock.

I have mixed thoughts about that one. But this set of products LED Nest to making a push to be the key part of the smart home fabric via their works with Nest program. This program allowed third-party devices to communicate with Nest products. Now due to their success larger move within the smart home ecosystem was really an inevitable and on January 13th of 2014.

Google came in and announced plans to acquire Nest labs for 3.2 billion dollars in cash early days of this acquisition. We're pretty typical there were no significant external moves that would really be of concern to users. But in 2016 this story started to change Nest Labs co-founder Tony fadell left the company and unusual but it was a little Rocky and despite the growing the Google's business unit right next to that a piece of Google to 1,200 employees Nest didn't really deliver on the vision Google had for the team and they really deliver anything really nothing changed over the that time span during all this Nest users had access to their devices through a dedicated app and website.

Has its own data privacy policy. There's very little googliness at play. In fact, unless you really done for you really look for it. You probably weren't even aware that these were essentially Google devices now Nest isn't the first I owe to your smart home company acquired. In fact in 2014 the same year it acquired Ness.

Google also bought a company called Revolt because that was cooler revolve made a smart home hub. It was ugly as Sin but a coordinated all of the other devices in your home now. Unfortunately the revolve devices with a Bitter End in 2016. The devices were remotely disable. They were bricked from afar and the rumors in the stories around all this point to the core technology from revolve being used elsewhere in the nest unit for the Standalone devices were basically cast aside as resources were shifted towards this new works with Nest program.

That was the first real True flag in a reminder that even though you bought the device. It wasn't really yours smart home devices require Services running in the background to properly work and when a company changes hands or just priorities users may be left out in the cold never noted author Cory doctorow explores this idea in his latest book radicalized.

Now this book consists of for intensely political sci-fi stories that examine Society from a number of angles. Now one of those angles is through DRM locked appliances in the story and don't worry no spoilers here read the book. It is absolutely definitely worth it Cory examine the impact on a community when their daily lives are tied to corporate interests that you might think that you presented in.

The book is Extreme, but we're seeing small hints of it in the nest revolve Google story. And while you're checking out Corey's work, make sure to read makers as well that story explores. What a world A visual manufacturing be to be a 3D printed would look like it again with a healthy dose of political experimentation around copyright and ownership back today and the story at hand recently here 2019 at Google IO Google announced some significant changes to how they handle and Market The Nest line of products.

There's stand-alone no longer. The new naming scheme for the products is Google next. So Google Nest learning thermostat and the Google Nest protect and so on and so on more importantly the works with Nest program has been canceled the preferred method for working with these devices now is via the works with Google assistant program.

And while Google is making a rather large exception for Amazon Alexa integration. This is a clear indication of a shift in their strategy around the smart home. Now Google assistant is at the core Nest account holders will be strongly encouraged to move to Google accounts for the devices a 10 device data data about how your home works.

Now. This will now fall under the Google privacy policy versus the original Nest Labs policy and there are some significant differences are observers. Also expected The Nest app to Fall by the wayside in the not-too-distant future. It's okay. That was a huge. But what does all of this mean specifically? What does it mean through a cyber security and privacy lens? Well, this story is really a clear reminder that your device is rarely actually yours adding smarts to devices in your home really ties the operation of your home to a set of services that are running somewhere by someone.

Not you you want proof disable the Wi-Fi in her house for an hour. I know it's crazy. Bear with me and see what stops working. It's a sad and startling experience. There are significant questions that need to be addressed here or not. I don't have the answers, but I definitely have some of the questions questions like who controls the data about your home with a company sold.

Does that data access also gets old. Do you have a say in it at all? Is there a transition plan if the company that provides you were smart oven Services is sold to another There's no clear answer is here. I definitely don't have them. I don't think they're out there at all.

Now Cory doctorow presents one Viewpoint in his book radicalize and without discussion about these issues any open regulation or legislation to enforce a community decision Corey story May well end up becoming reality and while it's a well-written story that I really enjoyed reading. I don't want to live in it.

Do you? What do you think? Let me know online where I'm at Mark MCA in the comments down below and as always by email me at Mark and. CA look forward to discussing this issue with you online and we'll see you on the next episode of the show.